Richard Herring and Stewart Lee funded the release of Nineties BBC comedy show Fist Of Fun with their own money, buying the rights from the BBC and financing their own production of DVD extras as well via the indie label Go Faster Stripe. The advantage was for Lee and Herring to have the freedom to put out a premium version of a show which the BBC had no plans to release, packed with more extras than BBC DVD sets normally do. The obvious disadvantage was the financial risk. I spoke to both Herring and Chris Evans from Go Faster Stripe about the process of self-publishing...
What were the risks of producing a Fist Of Fun DVD independently of the BBC?
HERRING: The risk was only that it would sell zero copies and we'd all lose about £10,000. But I didn't think that was much of a risk. I was pretty sure we'd sell a couple of thousand of each series and break even. We've already done about double that for Series 1. So the gamble seems to have paid off.
How helpful were the BBC in co-operating with the transfer of Fist Of Fun to you and Stewart Lee? Did they provide material for the DVD extras?
HERRING: We had a man on the inside who ferreted some stuff out for us, some of it was about to be deleted (the extras not the shows) I think. I don't think the BBC thought there was any commercial value in the release and they had the choice to do it themselves, but turned it down. I am glad because Go Faster Stripe have done an amazing job of putting together a package that will delight fans and bamboozle enemies in its thoroughness. The BBC would not have spent the time or money in doing something this lovely and loving.
How successful has the DVD been so far?
HERRING: Like I say, we've made our investment back and I am hopeful that series 2 will earn Go Faster Stripe enough for them to keep putting out even more DVDs of obscure comics who would never get a DVD made any other way.
Why do you think it is that larger distribution companies are unable or unwilling to release the kind of shows you offer?
EVANS: It's all about the money. I think that as you get bigger, the cut of the sale price that goes to the creative side of the production gets smaller and smaller. You need to pay for advertising, PR, distribution and so on. So they can't take too much of a risk in who they choose to film - and that's why I think most big stand-up releases are pretty samey.
What role did Twitter, Facebook and other social networks play in promoting the release of Fist Of Fun?
HERRING: I guess they helped spread the word. We did all this without any PR budget and via word of mouth. So emails to fans and social networks and reviews from journalists who were fans were going to be our only publicity. People are still finding out that it's out there. Every time I tweet about it someone expresses surprise. This is a product for old and new fans alike and most of them know where to get the info about us already.
How likely is it that we will see other 'self-produced' releases from you in the future, such as This Morning With Richard Not Judy and other projects?
HERRING: I believe Chris Evans (not that one) is looking into it. Fist Of Fun Series 2 is definitely coming out (we did the extras in March), but the other stuff is up to the BBC again.
You have released previous live shows on DVD independently through Go Faster Stripe. Do you think more comedians and performers will follow this method to release material in the future?
HERRING: It is now relatively easy and cheap to make DVDs of your shows, and yes, I think more people will do it. But it takes comedy fans who don't care about making or losing money to really make this thing work. Most of the releases Go Faster Stripe do lose money.
Do you think that other comedians and performers will follow the example of Fist Of Fun and purchase the rights of other cherished programmes from national broadcasters?
EVANS: I don't know. I hope so. It costs a bloody fortune though.
Do you think the freedom to include material without fear of censorship is an advantage of distributing comedy online that comedians have yet to truly explore?
HERRING: It is great to have autonomy. For me the best thing is just that this outlet allows the shows to exist once I move on from them (which is why I am going back and re-doing a couple of old shows). Once it's on DVD then people can see it and I can do the next show. It was always hard having to leave behind a good show knowing that it would never be seen by anyone else. This means old shows might get the respect they deserve somewhere down the line. Also the sales help to make a tour make a bit more money and justify me carrying on with live work
You have provided a huge amount of free material on your website, including your long-running blog and numerous podcasts. How important is this free content in driving the success of your DVD shows?
HERRING: I do the free stuff because it's fun and I'd rather have it out there than not existing. I think the podcasts especially have (without me intending this) given me a huge number of new fans who certainly come to see me live and give me money that way, but also who want to catch up on my old stuff. So there is a clever business model to doing the free stuff. But I only do it because I want to explore ideas in a cheap way and don't think you always need polished and edited comedy (in fact the lack of editing and the failed jokes make the good bits even better)
US comedians Louis CK and Jim Gaffigan are selling recordings of their stand-up shows as downloads through their own websites. Do you see this as a possible route to distribute your own comedy in the future?
HERRING: It's possible. Though they have huge fan bases which mean they can afford to do it that way. I am not sure we'd do well enough to justify the outlay. But you never know.
EVANS: Maybe - I was talking with Rich and Stew about this very thing in March as we were recording the commentary tracks for Fist of Fun series 2. I think we are going to give it a go. [Since this interview Go Faster Stripe have already begun making some shows available as downloads.]
So what can we learn from all this? Well, the number of potential avenues for comedians to get their work seen by fans is growing and evolving. The internet is providing possibilities for comedians to self-publish their own stand-up shows by download and DVD, as well as revive older much loved television shows which deserve to be preserved and seen by fans old and new.
In the case of Fist Of Fun we are even seeing the comedians themselves stepping in and rescuing their own work from a broadcaster with no interest in releasing the show. It seems likely that we will see more performers doing this in the future.
- Fist Of Fun Series 1 is available on DVD from Go Faster Stripe. A wealth of other material from Richard Herring is available at www.richardherring.com.